Hello, and welcome to how to take over the world. This is Ben Wilson. Got an exciting episode for you today. We're talking about Walt Disney. And why Walt? Well, there are a number of different angles that you can look at well from. You can look at his success as an entrepreneur, as a guy who just founded one of the, I think, 50 largest companies in the world. Uh, worth billions and billions of dollars. You can look at him as a storyteller as probably the greatest storyteller of the 20th century. You know, a lot of the stories that we live with now that are a part of mass culture come from the Disney company and come from things that, that he started and patterns that he set out.

So you can look at him as. Uh, storyteller, you can look at him as a rags to riches story. You know, he came from literally nowhere

grew up in Missouri. , in the United States did not come from wealthy family. Um, you know, someone who just took nothing. And was able to establish one of the most iconic companies of all time. You can look at wall as an innovator, you can look at him as an artist. Um, he really is at the nexus of technology, art business. And so no matter what you're looking for, I think you can see something in Walt Disney. He's, he's one of the great Americans of the 20th century. And he's got a great story. So I'm excited to dive into it. But before we do here is a brief word from our sponsors.  

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He himself would undertake a number of ventures during his lifetime, just like his father. And they would all end in failure, justice as fathers had.

And you kind of have two things happening at the same time here, Elias his determination to not follow his father's pattern of failure made him extremely diligent and hardworking, but the fact that he failed, despite all that hard work made him bitter and angry. Oftentimes he was a very severe man.

He was very religious was described in one book as quote, nearly humorless. He worked hard. He believed in an old school approach to parenting. That involved. Uh, corporal punishment beating his children and he never showed outward affection towards them at all. Now I should say. They can get exaggerated. Sometimes he would punish his sons by hitting them with a switch or the wooden handle of his hammer. Um, or with his bare hands. But Elias was not sending Walt to school with black eyes and broken ribs. So sometimes you'll hear.  You know, Walt Disney's father beat him with a hammer. Yes. With the handle of a hammer. It's still not great. Right? But, but he's not like you could kill someone with. Hitting him with a hammer with, with the end of the hammer. With the handle, it's more of a, like a spanking. He was a severe disciplinarian. Um, but I have not seen any indications that it was to the point of harming his children's health.

Nevertheless it wasn't great. And I've seen some say that Walt hated his father.  And I think that's actually true. You read some of the things he said and you think, okay, this does sound like someone who maybe hated his father. But you read some of the other things he said, and it sounds like he loved and admired his father. So, which is it? And I think the answer is both. Parental relationships are often complicated and this one was more complicated than most. Uh, you know, you can't distill it down to a single word. Walt.  Loved hated, respected, resented, admired. Uh, his dad all at the same time.  Uh, his relationship with his mother was much less complicated. Walt's mother's name was flora, and she came from a long line of academics and school teachers. She came from. Uh, sort of upper middle-class American family. She herself was very bright and her boys would describe her as having a wonderful sense of humor. She was loving and affectionate towards her children. And was just an all around great mother. She would even sometimes stick up to Elias for the boys and. Get him to not hit them when he was mad.  It was in large part due to the physical and emotional safety that Florida provided that Walt would remember Marcelene as an ideal place to grow up. Almost a utopia heaven on earth.

In fact, Roy Disney later did say quote, it was just heaven for us city kids. And Walt himself would say everything connected with Mars. Saline was a thrill for us after coming from crowded, smoky Chicago.  My favorite quote about Marcellin actually comes from Walt's wife who pointed out that it's kind of strange that it meant so much to him. She said, quote, Marcelene was the most important part of Walt's life. He didn't live there very long. He lived in Chicago and Kansas city much longer, but there was something about that farm that was very important to him.  So why was it so important to him? Why was it such a great place to grow up? Well, because the place was well like a Disney movie. Which is not a coincidence. First, there was the nature. There were all sorts of farms, gardens, and groves that provided fruits and vegetables. There were streams and forests. Uh, the place was teaming with little Woodland creatures, like foxes, rabbits, squirrels, possums, and raccoons. Walt loved playing with the farm animals, the pigs, the cows, the chickens. And he would sometimes ride the pigs when driving them into their pen. He also loved fishing for catfish and the Creek in the summer and skating on the little Creek when it froze over in the winter.

 There was a very strong sense of community in Marcelene both with the neighbors who would help each other men fences. And when it was time to harvest crops, Uh, you know, for, for a week they would all come sleep in the Disney's front yard and the women would stay and cook together. And the men would go out with Elias and the boys and help them harvest their crops. But there was also the sense of community with extended family who were always around aunts, uncles, and cousins. Uh, some of them lived very nearby and even those who didn't live right in Marcelene would often come and visit and in lodge with the Disneys for a week or two.

In Marsa lien, you can see all these little hints and echoes of things that would come into waltz art later in life. So for example, as I mentioned, There's sort of the idyllic American countryside with all these little Woodland creatures that would show up. Another thing is his love of trains. As I mentioned, it was a stop on the railroad. And what was fascinated by the train that would come through.  Trains to him represented. A chance to travel someplace new and discover the world growing up in a small town, they also represented technology and the future, they represented adventure. They represented opportunity. Uh, you know, eventually just like Thomas Edison, he would take a job on the train selling.  Little treats to the passengers and, and making a little pocket money for himself.

And by the way, I do find that one of those funny coincidences that they both had that same job as boys selling treats on the train.

And you see that show up later and Disneyland and Disney world, and many of his films and movies, his, his love of trains and railroads.   Another thing where you can see some echoes is his love of his uncle ed. Uncle ed.  Was Walt's uncle obviously. And he would take him on adventures. They would play games, explore the natural world, flag down trains and even catch rides to neighboring towns.  Uncle ed was considered by most people to be. Dimwitted and perhaps even mentally handicapped. Um, not so much so that he couldn't watch over Walt. When he was a boy, they would go off just the two of them and go on these adventures.

To Walt though. He viewed him as just a kid. That never grew up. Um, because he had this great enthusiasm uncle had this, this love of adventure. And so you can see that echo in Peter pan, uh, Walt viewed him as this Peter pan like figure this.  The person who would never grow up and maintain the sense of love of adventure and enjoy and, and, and boyish enthusiasm.  

Now the Disney farm in Marcelain might have been idyllic, but it was not profitable. The farm was already struggling when Elias came down with either typhoid or diptheria, but he was unable to work. Uh, in 1911. So in 1911, when Walt was nine years old, the Disney family left Marcelene for Kansas city.  

After moving to Kansas city Elias made a living by purchasing a newspaper delivery route. At this point, Elias's two oldest boys, Herbert and Raymond were already adults and had left home. But Walt and his older brother, Roy were still around and Elias made them work the paper route for him. The paper route would loom heavy and Walt's memory of his boy had years in Kansas city. And you can understand why he would have to wake up at four 30 in the morning, every single morning for six years. To go deliver papers, even in the freezing winter.

There are stories that Walt would tell about having to trudge through five foot tall. Snowdrifts in order to deliver some of these papers and, um, Elias was meticulous about that paper route and placed a heavy emphasis on making sure it was done. Right.

He would make Walt and his brother, Roy placed the papers inside the storm door of people's houses, even when they had to trudge through feet of fresh fallen snow. So other people were not doing this. Other people were just throwing the paper to the front porch. But the Disney boys had to do it. Right. They had to go place the papers. Exactly. So exactly perfectly on people's stores.  At school. Walt was an indifferent student. Not very good. As you can imagine for someone who was waking up at four 30 in the morning as a boy, he often slept through class. Um, but even when he was awake, he was not much of a student. He didn't really care about school.

he was always drawing and doodling rather than actually listening or studying when he was at school.

The other thing he was doing was performing while discovered a partner in crime in Kansas city at Benton grammar school. Uh, best friend named Walt Pfeiffer, the two who dubbed themselves two bad Walters. We're always creating shows and stunts and jokes. Uh, they had like a little vaudeville show that they did. So Walt had an early streak as a performer. He also had an early interest in entrepreneurship. At one point, he put up a tent and set up his own circus for the neighborhood children charging a dime for admission. But when his mother found out that he was charging these kids, she made him refund everyone, their money. He was always trying to sell newspapers on the side and coming up with little schemes to make a little bit of money. But whenever his father Elias found out about these little side hustles, He would confiscate all of Walt's pocket money.

 As he was getting older, Walt grew increasingly agitated with his dad's severe ways, harsh discipline. And this was especially true once Roy left. And what was the only boy at home?

One day when he was 14 years old, what was helping his father work on the roof of their home? And Walt failed to execute. One of Elias's commands quickly enough, at least in his eyes. And so this resulted in a tirade. Elias yells at wall and says, go to the basement

and I'm gonna come downstairs soon to punish you to hit you.  And Roy who happened to be home visiting pulled wall aside on his way to the basement and said, don't take this anymore. You're bigger than him. Don't let him do that to you.  And so when Elias came down to the basement, Uh, he grabbed the head of the hammer as usual and raised it to hit Walt with the shaft of his hammer. And while I grabbed his hand.  And so then Elias raises his other hand to hit Walt and Walt grabs that hand too. And so he's holding both of his hands and they struggle for a little bit. And that's when Elias realizes, wow. My son is bigger than me. I. I can't do this anymore. I can't hit him anymore. And Elias breaks down. Balling in front of wall. And after that Elias never tried to hit him again.

In contrast to Elias Walt, some other flora really shines at this point in Walt's childhood. All of these great people seem to have extraordinary mothers. Edison's mother not only believed in him. But gave him the better part of his education as a boy. Napoleon always considered his father, something of a failure and believe that he got his intelligence and his drive from his mother. I'd like to read a paragraph about flora.

From a biography of Walt Disney by a guy named Neil gambler. Very good biography. If you're gonna read one, that's the one I recommend. , Uh, he says about flora quote. It was, she who managed the money for Elias, made most of the children's clothes. And so their quilts cook their meals and encourage their reading connived with the children and always exercise restraint  and an even temper. And it was flora alone who could tease her husband and calm his raging storms though.

She did so carefully without confronting or countermanding him.

Besides his mother, the other pillar of Walt's early life was his brother, Roy, who I've mentioned already. Walt wasn't close with his two oldest brothers who were much older than him, but Roy who was still eight years older than him. I was always his protector and friend. Walt regarded him as something of a surrogate father, since he had such a troubled relationship with his actual father.  Interestingly. You know, what was the only dreamer in the family? Everyone else was practical minded and kind of sober. And that included Roy. He didn't have an imagination like wall either, but he respected Walt's creative streak and would help and encourage him all their lives.  While also kind of grounding him and bringing some practical sense to the relationship.

I had a fascination with cartooning from this very earliest childhood, something that his father did not find practical in Kansas city. The fascination turned into an obsession though. He was simply always drawing. He took Saturday courses at the Kansas city art Institute and also signed up for correspondence courses. And those are like the original online courses. They were distance education courses that came in the mail. Despite this effort, Walt was never an exceptional cartoonist. He wasn't a naturally gifted drawer, but through extensive practice and sheer determination, he did make himself a decent cartoonist. He wasn't bad.  

In 1917 Elias moved his family back to Chicago where Walt attended high school. He was the cartoonist for the school paper, mostly drawing patriotic cartoons about world war one. He continued to be obsessed with drawing and continued to be a poor student. He even occasionally skipped school to go to the Chicago art Institute or hang around the offices of the Chicago Tribune.  They had moved to Chicago because Elias was interested in a business called the Ozil factory. Which produced jellies. The business was doing poorly. So Elias decided to become personally involved while it worked at the factory one summer, though, he did eventually grow tired of it and quit to work as a substitute mail carrier.

One side note about that is that, um, we almost never got, uh, Walt Disney because he was almost killed in a terrorist attack. Uh, mail bomb injured 30 and killed four in his post office, including a man who worked just two desks away from Walt. And Walt was very, nearly blown up. He had debris on him. Uh, it's not certain who carried out the attack. They'll most likely it was done by an organized crime gang or perhaps some radical anarchists or radical socialists.  For his senior year, Walt decided not to return to high school. He tried forging his birth certificate to join the army, to fight in world war one, but he was caught and rejected. Eventually he was able to forge some papers and joined the red cross to be an ambulance driver. But by the time he got to France with the red cross, the war had already ended.

He spent his time in France doing menial labor and in just about every spare moment when he was not working, he was doodling and drawing. He even got his work published in the army newspaper. In one of those funny coincidences of history What happened to be stationed in the same ambulance Corps as Ray crock, Ray would end up being the famous CEO of McDonald's who led the fast food chain to become one of the largest companies in the world. And according to one book I read, although I didn't see this repeated anywhere else. So take this with a grain of salt, but apparently Ray remembered that he and the fellows in the Corps thought Walt was a little bit strange because. When they had a, an open opportunity when they had a spare moment, they would go into French towns and try and pick up French girls and what would never come, he would stay behind and just draw and draw and draw. And so they all thought what was kind of funny because. Um, he was drawing all the time while he was in France.

And that is, you know, why? I don't know whether that particular story is true, but it is true that Walt was almost compulsive in how much he was drawing at this point in his life. In 1919 wallet returned to the United States. His father had secured a job for him paying $25 a week at the Ozil factory. Which was pretty good rate and Elias was flabbergasted when Walton told him that he was instead holding out for a job as an artist. Walt later said, quote, he never understood me. He thought I was a black sheep, this nonsense of drawing pictures. He said, Walter, you're going to make a career of that. Are you.  

But while it did eventually get a job as an artist, his brother. Uh, Roy recommended him to acquaintances for an opportunity to apprentice with an illustration advertising company called Admin Rubin commercial art company. While I was just thrilled to gain full-time employment as an artist at the age of only 17, but unfortunately he's laid off a short time later when the art studio went through a financial, rough patch, but it wasn't for poor performance. His associates from those days remembered Walt as a pretty good artist and an extremely hard worker who did things quickly and did them well.

The most important thing to come out of the job for wall is that he made a notable good friend, a very gifted, cartoonist by the name of I works  after being laid off up, and Walt decided to start their own company and they had some initial success, they were selling basic illustrations to Kansas city based companies. And they were a very good partnership. Uh, was an incredibly gifted artist, possessing the kind of artistic talent that Walt could only dream of. But he was shy and socially awkward, whereas wall on the other hand was a decent artist. But charming, extroverted and a natural salesman. So between the two of them, they had exceptional art skills and exceptional sales skills. And so they had some success. But. They were kids, you know, these, they were 17 years old. Um, so when they saw a job ad for a position as a cartoonist with a Kansas city slide company have suggested that Walt should go take the job to provide some steady financial footing for them. And, um, we try to keep the company afloat by himself.

Well, as I said, Was not much of a businessman, although he was a great cartoonist, so he wasn't able to hold down the company on his own. And so after not very long, they shuttered the company and up joined wall at the Kansas city slide company. This was their first foray into moving pictures. And Walt was thrilled about it. He would say years later. The trick of making things move on. Film is what got me.  Um, another quote from gambler the biographer, he said, quote, Walt Disney, seldom dabbled. Everyone who knew him remarked on his intensity. When something intrigued him, he focused himself entirely as if it were the only thing that mattered.  And that thing now that he was focused on was animation.  And so he was thrilled. With to be with the slide company, getting an education in animation.  Not only was he getting an education from the slide company. But when he couldn't learn there, he was educating himself. Walt set up a studio in his parents' garage. They had recently returned from Chicago after the oil company failed. And so he went to their garage and set up some cameras and some animation equipment and, um, was able to experiment there with different animation techniques.

And he was like I said, obsessed. Uh, Roy said, when he'd come home and long after everybody else was in bed, what was out there still puttering away, working away, experimenting, trying this and that drawing and so on. So he was spending real late nights. Um, just figuring out this new technology of animation.

You have to remember that.  Animated cartoons. You know, motion, picture cartoons. Are very, very new at this point. This is an industry that isn't even 20 years old.

And so it was the wild west. Um,  You know, there was no college degree that you could get for animation. You just had to experiment and talk to the people who were doing it  and figure it out.  At the slide company, they were using a technique, , using cutout cartoons. Which was the standard animation method, but while it starts to become interested in a new technology called cell animation, it used overlapping layers of illustrations on celluloid sheets to quickly create elaborate handicap cartoons. So that. You know, you didn't have to draw the same thing over and over again.

You would keep some layers the same for the background or static characters that didn't move while repeatedly redrawing, only those portions of the scene that moved. And overtime while it became not only interested in cell animation, but in his usual way. Obsessed. He was determined that this was the future and he needed to learn how to do it. He's experimenting with it in his garage, talking to more experienced animators, attending classes at the art Institute. And taking out books from the library to read about this new technique. He began using cell technique to produce cartoons, to run in the biggest theater in Kansas city. I called the Newman theater. In a pattern that would be a recurring theme throughout Disney's career. Their cartoon stories often found new life from old fables and fairytales. And did they also, uh, tended to give life to inanimate objects? So one of his first,  Cartoons that he does on his very own. Is this plant that sort of. Comes to life and just jumps around a little bit. It's actually interesting to me. It's so reminiscent of Pixar when they start, the first thing they do is animate this little lamp. And this little, little plant, this little flower, that wall animates is kind of similar to the Pixar lamp.   All have these animations that he's doing. Are very simple. One to two minutes short animations that ran in front of feature length films at movie theaters.

They became known as Newman Lafa grams and the company was later named Lafa gram studios by Walt. The cartoons were a commercial failure. Um, but they were creative success. They made wall a mini celebrity in Kansas city, and he soon discovered that he loved the attention. He loved, you know, he was a natural showman. He's a natural performer. He lived for the response of the crowd and people were really responding to his cartoons. They were popular and they made people laugh.

Walt soon started dreaming of making longer cartoons, seven minutes, rather than two minute clips that he had been making. And at this point while is really hustling. He's renting a little shack, just up the hill from his day job. Which had changed its name to the Kansas city. Film ad company and they weren't interested in trying or funding Walt's curiosity in cell animation technology. So what was able to work there at the Kansas city film ad company during the day, and then just walk 18 steps up to his own little studio and after hours. Uh, he would try his cell animation stuff and, and they didn't care that he was experimenting with this stuff and taking side projects.  

He was also able to persuade up and coming animators to come draw for him for free.

He didn't have any money to give them so he wasn't paying them, but they could learn cell animation. He was always gifted at getting people to buy in to a larger vision.

And that was certainly working in his favor here. So he's got this, this free labor. Eventually Walter. Started to go all in on his new venture, persuaded us to join him once more and built out. And built it out into a full fledged studio.

Walt's brothers had recently moved out of Kansas city. And so Walt turned Lafa Graham studios into a sort of surrogate family. Uh, most of them were young and unmarried. They spent long hours working together. The schedule that most of them worked with from 9:00 AM until about midnight. And they were experimenting, playing pranks, working, uh, just having fun. A friend visited and asked while about his new studio. And he asked if they were making good money and Walter responded, frankly. No, but we're having fun.  

And, uh, that was maybe under selling it. They were having a really great time and Walt was very bad with money. Lafa gram studio soon ended up in financial trouble and, uh, on, on the very urge of bankruptcy. In these dire straits. Disney tried throwing a hail Mary. He wanted to produce a longer film rather than the one to two minute clips that they had been making. He wanted to try a seven minute film. That would combine live-action filmography with animation.

It was called Alice's Wonderland and was of course inspired by Lewis Carroll's famous novel. It was about a real little girl who enters a magical fantasy world of animation.

And this little cartoon actually bears no resemblance to Alice in Wonderland. The famous movie that Disney would later produce. Um, this is a different thing and it only used the Lewis Carroll story as inspiration, but was a different thing.  However, the company was falling apart around him. As Walt tried to finish this project of Alice's Wonderland animators were leaving left and right. They were evicted from their offices and even up quit in the end.  Um, so the film was finished. Eventually, but only because Walt did the vast majority of the animation himself.

Even, so this combination of live action and animation. It was something that people had done before, but this was a little different. Mostly what people had done was mostly live action with a little cartoon. In that live action instead what this was was mostly cartoon. With one live action character.  Playing in that cartoon, if that makes sense. So this was very leading edge and very cool. What was more than anything? A forward thinker. He was almost at a Sony inner Steve jobs. He, in, in his love of showing the world something groundbreaking, something new. But he's still working out how to make it profitable or even cost efficient

and Alice's Wonderland is not finished in time to save the company, which goes completely belly up.

And, you know, I said, well, it was bad with money. Um, but at this point it's not because he's an extravagant spender at the time. He really wants to finish this film. So he's real thin. He's eating nothing but canned beans. He had been evicted from his home was sleeping in a studio. He was showering once a week at the train station. I mean while is really. Just trying to slum it. Just trying to scrape by. In order to finish this animation. His problem was at this point. Not that he was a profligate spender. It was that he wasn't making enough money, Kansas city just wasn't a big enough market to support the cost that went into making an animation of this length and complexity. And, um, at this point he didn't have the connections to get distribution outside of Kansas city.

Despite this company failing Walt is in pretty good spirits. He had a cheery and optimistic disposition in general and was rarely thrown into a bad mood by setbacks. Walt would later say, quote, I had no recollection of ever being unhappy in my life. I was happy all the time. I was excited. I was doing things.  And look, I mean, that's a, that's kind of an exaggeration to be honest. He also said another time that he was crushed and heartbroken at this first bankruptcy, which is understandable for someone who, you know, he's 21 years old. And he just declared bankruptcy. His, his company just failed.

But it is true that he did have this, this remarkably buoyant personality things might get him down for a little bit, but after like a day, he tended to pop right back up and be his normal cheery, optimistic self.  While it seemed decided that what he needed was a change of scenery. And so he was debating between New York and Los Angeles. And he eventually decided on the ladder mostly because his brother Roy had moved to Los Angeles to recover from tuberculosis.

Problem was Walt was so flat broke. Uh, he didn't even have the money for a train ticket out to Los Angeles to start over again. So. He bought a camera on loan and went door to door. To the wealthiest neighborhoods in Kansas city offering to make films of people's children. So this is like kind of the most. Down and dirty side hustle that he could think of and doing this. It was a smarter approach in just a matter of a week or two, he was able to scrape together. Uh, enough money to pay for the camera that he had bought and then buy a train ticket out to LA.

When Walt bought that train ticket out of Kansas city. The bitterness of his failures was far from his mind. He said, quote, he felt free and happy as if he were lit up inside by incandescent lights. You know, I think many of us have had that feeling of. Starting over. And have opportunity in front of us. And that's what he was feeling as he took the train to LA.

And that's, you know, one of my main takeaways from his life is just that unconquerable optimism. It really was. I mean, it could be illogical at times. Anyone else would think, you know, You have no reason to be optimistic right now, but it was his super power. His belief that everything would work out no matter what.

Having been recently burned by the animation industry while considered going into the live action film industry. These were the days before Hollywood's golden age. But Los Angeles was quickly becoming a center of film production. And, uh, the center for animation on the other hand was all the way out in New York. So it wasn't necessarily a natural fit to go out to LA  in order to start an animation studio.  

But fate sort of intervened at this point, because while he was in Los Angeles, what was able to come up with a distribution deal for a Alice's Wonderland with a New York based distributor named Margaret Winkler. And with that, Walt teamed up with his brother, Roy to form the Disney brothers cartoon studio, which would go on to become the Walt Disney company. And this was formed in 1923.

The company initially started out by completing more episodes of Alice's adventures in Wonderland. Which experienced some popular success. So he hires his old friend up to come work for him as well. And at the time he also hires multiple other ink artists, including an artist named Lillian bounds. Uh, over time while it takes a liking to Lillian and, uh, finds that she likes him back. And they end up getting married in 1925. The marriage was, uh, was a happy one. Uh, Lillian was a very steady and constant companion for Walt and they raised three children together.

So you would think that we are set from here, right? Walt has his main team. He has himself, his brother, Roy, his buddy up, who is this savant, brilliant animator. They founded the Walt Disney company and the stuff that they're producing is doing fairly well. They've moved beyond the original Alice's Wonderland films and are producing other original works as well.  But it's not quite smooth sailing from there. Uh, trouble would arise when Margaret Winkler, their distributor got married and turned over. Most of her work to her husband, Charles Mintz.  And mince and Disney did not get along. They butted heads over a lot of different issues, including the future of the company and what type of animations they should make. And most of all over money and how much Walt and his company were entitled to.

At a time when Walt short animations we're doing better than ever. Walt wanted to get paid more and get paid faster.

And In fact there was more money coming in and he and mince were able to come to an agreement over the money. But the real sticking point was that mince kept critiquing Walt's work and making more and more suggestions. Walt thought that he was the true creative genius behind the animations and mince thought that the work was kind of shoddy and that he knew more about how to produce great animations, even though he wasn't himself, an animator. And that might seem ridiculous to us in hindsight, but you know, it is true that mince thought that it was his, his show business savvy. And his notes on Walt's animations that were the keys to their success.

They were eventually able to come to a deal. Both in terms of how they would handle their business going forward. You know, who would get more creative freedom. But also in terms of, of money. Um, but this new deal. Did put even more financial stress on wall. who was trying to expand his studio and bringing more animators to make the animations even better. But now, instead of having more money to produce these animations, he would have just a little bit less. He started to push his staff harder and harder. And the air of fun and adventure that had started with the Disney company. Was replaced with stress. Kind of laborious hard work and tension.  Due to this tension. Three animators decided to leave and start their own studio.

And for a little bit. Things seem shaky, you know? Okay. Animators are leaving. We have a little bit less money. Is this thing even gonna make it, but this all seems to blow over. When Walt comes up with a new series, a completely animated cartoon about a character named Oswald, the lucky rabbit.  Oswald was immediately a hit. And other animators regarded him as the gold standard. Other cartoon characters at the time. Tended to just be. Excuses for Galax. You know, they, a lot of them were cartoon animals. But they didn't have a personality. Necessarily that continued from, uh, from cartoon to cartoon. Whereas Oswald did have a real personality that carried from animation to animation and, uh, had different attributes that you could point to. And he was a character that you can kind of get to know.  The animations are so successful that he's able to strong arm mints into paying him more.

The staff at Disney studios increases to 22 employees while builds a new home and things are generally going really well for him in his life. But justice things are finally going great for Walt in 1928, he faces the greatest catastrophe that he's faced yet.  Disney went out to New York. To negotiate another new deal with mince with Oswald doing so well. He thought he had great leverage to negotiate more money. Mince saw it completely differently. It was mince who had negotiated the national distribution deal with universal studios. So he was the reason that people were seeing Oswald. ,  it was mince who actually owned Oswald because of some smart drawing up of contracts. So he owned the intellectual property. It was Disney's animators who were actually drawing Oswald disney himself had stopped being an active animator. A short time previously. So in minces eyes, he's looking at this and saying, okay,  I'm doing the distribution.  

Waltz cartoonists are doing the actual drawing. Well himself as just a middleman, he's a subcontractor. And so mince went around Disney and negotiated employment deals directly with some of Disney's animators. And, um,  Disney couldn't believe that, you know, when he hears this, he says no way. And he calls to see if it's true and it's true. They had negotiated contracts with mince himself. Essentially. Cutting Disney out of his own animation. He was mince with stealing Oswald, essentially from Disney is the way that Walt saw it.

And so while, you know, he goes out to New York to renegotiate a new deal with Mintz.  And to get more money because Oswald, the lucky rabbit is doing so well. And instead what he finds is that there's a trap laid for him. He essentially gets ambushed. And not only does he not get a new deal.  But he essentially gets his character and his company and his employees stolen out from under him.  And, um, mince is kind of a jerk to him. Just treat some rudely. And, uh, basically treat him like he's a, nobody. And, um, so by the time that Walt took the train back to New York, he was essentially at ground zero. Again, no cartoon character, no deal, no employees. Essentially, no company.

And like I said, he had a buoyant personality, but that can only go so far. And the failure really did get to him. His wife Lillian said that he was quote. Like a roaring lion when he first got on that train.  He fumed about his treacherous crew. These, these ungrateful animators. and also about minutes and how he'd betrayed him and ambushed him. But he also let it motivate him. He wasn't just going on tirades. He starts sketching and immediately he he's thinking, okay, I need to come up with a new character to replace Oswald. So that mince can't have the last laugh. I can show that it was actually my creative genius. I might not have been the one who always drew Oswald. But I thought up Oswald and he was my character.

So Disney's got nothing. But he does have this sketchpad. And he's sketching out all these new characters, all these ideas for new characters. And he comes up with a story. The story of a little mouse who inspired by Charles Lindbergh builds himself a plane in order to impress a lady mouse. Walt's wife loved the story, but she hated the name. He had named him. Mortimer mouse.  Well, while Aster. What do you think about the name? Nikki.   I'm going to leave the story off there. Obviously, this is a pivotal turning point in Walt Disney's career. But, um, I'll save that for part two. But for now, let's take a look at a few of the things that made Walt successful.

The first was, is unshakable optimism. It's true that Walt could get down and depressed when bad things happened as anyone would. And he could also have a temper, um, not just down in depressed, but he could fire off and he could yell and he could get mad. But in either case he always bounced back extremely quickly and generally kept an extremely optimistic attitude and believe that things would work out. No matter what.

This is important because if you've been keeping track, he basically hit rock bottom and had to start over three different times.  Uh, he was also extremely charming and a great salesman. Charm is one of those things that is very difficult to define. It's difficult to express how one develops charm. But I found one note on how he was charming. And I found it really interesting. He gave the impression that he took a deep, personal interest. And whoever he was speaking with, people said that when they spoke to Walt, it felt like he turned his entire attention toward them. And, Was really intensely focused on them as a person.  And I found it interesting because. Charming people are always described that way. That they lock their entire focus on you when they talk to you. I've heard people describe that same phenomenon. When talking about Steve jobs, Napoleon Donald Trump, bill Clinton, and even Saddam Hussein.  It's very mixed company, but every single one of them was a very charming person. And Walt had that same superpower. Of turning his focus on you like a laser. And thereby charming you.

Some part of that is an eight. But it seems that while also worked at it, he developed it. , and I know. You know, it's funny, Steve jobs. I had this thing that he would do. That he stared at people and people talk about this. It was like kind of creepy, but always got your attention that Steve jobs would, would stare at you in like, not blink. And Walt had the same habit of locking onto people. And when he was like focused on them, he would stare directly at them. And so, um, again, there's not many too many hacks that you can get out of how to take over the world. Most of these things are sort of general life strategies. But I do think that's one little hack you can take away that you can try. If you are trying to, um,  Influence someone charm them, focus on them, try just doing the Steve jobs stare just really intently stare. And it does tend to, at the very least. Break up the normal flow of conversation and get them to really focus on what you're saying and become interested in the conversation and where you're trying to take them.  

Speaking of focus while had this incredible ability to concentrate all of his energy on one task or one skill at a time. Whether he was learning the basics of cartooning or learning the ins and outs of selling animation. Walt's ability to obsess was one of his greatest strengths.  

One last thing I wanted to mention.  Is, I was talking with someone the other day, someone successful in the world of finance. And this guy mentioned that he was interested in starting his own thing. But I talked to him a second time, a couple of weeks later, and he had decided against it. He didn't want to start his own company. Uh, his thinking was that.  He's already comfortable. He's made good money. And, um, he wants to keep making more good money and there's definitely some luck that goes into being really, really successful at the top level and starting your own venture. And he was talking about some of the other people who'd been successful, starting their own funds. Um, and he basically said that, you know, these people, they put it all on black a few times, so to speak and, um, they happened to get lucky. And they got lucky a few times and they were able to build off of that. And he was afraid that if he didn't have that same luck a few times he could potentially lose a lot of what he had already built.

So kind of a classic. Risk reward and this desire to not lose everything that you've built, which I understand. But when I was reading Walt Disney story and hearing about how he bought him out multiple times, It just made me realize that. If you want to reach the top, you have to be comfortable with the fact that not only could you hit rock bottom. But you probably will. At some point, you're probably going to have to go through that before you get to the top.

 Steve jobs got fired from apple. Napoleon got exiled to Elba. Edison had to watch his entire company literally burned down in front of him. Uh, even Putin. You know, uh, his, his mayor that he was working for soap Jack lost reelection and. And he lost everything. His political career was destroyed. He hit rock bottom. So it's a very common thing. Uh, so keep that in mind.  That you can't necessarily count on.  Never going through that.  But what you have to keep in mind is that it's okay. If you fall flat on your face, if you lose everything, if you've got to start over, you were in the company of the great ones. They all have gone through that. And, um, you can always start over. And at least you're in the arena. You are competing.  With the chance to become the greatest. And if you want to play it safe all the time, if you don't want to risk it all, that's fine. A lot of people should make that decision. But you're probably not going to have a chance to be. The greatest of all time.  

 All right, that's it for this week's episode tune in next week to hear how  📍 Walt takes over the world of not only animation. The media and imagination until then. Thanks for listening

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I had a fascination with cartooning from this very earliest childhood, something that his father did not find practical in Kansas city. The fascination turned into an obsession though. He was simply always drawing. He took Saturday courses at the Kansas city art Institute and also signed up for correspondence courses. And those are like the original online courses. They were distance education courses that came in the mail. Despite this effort, Walt was never an exceptional cartoonist. He wasn't a naturally gifted drawer, but though extensive practice.  But through extensive practice and sheer determination, he did make himself a decent cartoonist. He wasn't bad.  In 1917. Elias moved the family to.  

In 1917 Elias moved the family back to Chicago where wall attended high school.  

In 1917 Elias moved his family back to Chicago where Walt attended high school. He was the cartoonist for the school paper, mostly drawing patriotic cartoons about world war one. He continued to be obsessed with drawing and continued to be a poor student. He even occasionally skipped school to go to the Chicago art Institute or hang around the offices of the Chicago Tribune.  They had moved to Chicago because Elias was interested in a business called the Ozil factory. Which produced jellies. The business was doing poorly. So Elias decided to become personally involved while it worked at the factory one summer, though, he did eventually grow tired of it and quit to work as a substitute mail carrier.  

One side note about that is that, um, we almost never got, uh, Walt Disney because he was almost killed in a terrorist attack. Uh, mail bomb injured 30 and killed four in his post office, including a man who worked just two desks away from Walt. And Walt was very, nearly blown up. He had debris on him. Uh, it's not certain who carried out the attack. They'll most likely it was done by an organized crime gang or perhaps some radical anarchists or radical socialists.  For his senior year, Walt decided not to return to high school. He tried forging his birth certificate to join the army, to fight in world war one, but he was caught and rejected. Eventually he was able to forge some papers and joined the red cross to be an ambulance driver. But by the time he got to France with the red cross, the war had already ended.  

He spent his time in France doing menial labor and in just about every spare moment when he was not working, he was doodling and drawing. He even got his work published in the army newspaper. In one of those funny coincidences of history while it happened to be stationed in the same ambulance Corps as Ray Kroc, one book I read said that Ray would end up.  Uh,  

What happened to be stationed in the same ambulance Corps as Ray crock, Ray would end up being the famous CEO of McDonald's who led the fast food chain to become one of the largest companies in the world. And according to one book I read, although I didn't see this repeated anywhere else. So take this with a grain of salt, but apparently Ray remembered that he and the fellows in the Corps thought Walt was a little bit strange because. When they had a, an open opportunity when they had a spare moment, they would go into French towns and try and pick up French girls and what would never come, he would stay behind and just draw and draw and draw. And so they all thought what was kind of funny because. Um, he was drawing all the time while he was in France.  

And that is, you know, why? I don't know whether that particular story is true, but it is true that Walt was almost compulsive in how much he was drawing at this point in his life. In 1919 wallet returned to the United States. His father had secured a job for him paying $25 a week at the Ozil factory. Which was pretty good rate and Elias was flabbergasted when Walton told him that he was instead holding out for a job as an artist. Walt later said, quote, he never understood me. He thought I was a black sheep, this nonsense of drawing pictures. He said, Walter, you're going to make a career of that. Are you.  

But while it did eventually get a job as an artist, his brother. Uh, Roy recommended him to acquaintances for an opportunity to apprentice with an illustration advertising company called Admin Rubin commercial art company. While I was just thrilled to gain full-time employment as an artist at the age of only 17, but unfortunately he's laid off a short time later when the art studio went through a financial, rough patch, but it wasn't for poor performance. His associates from those days remembered Walt as a pretty good artist and an extremely hard worker who did things quickly and did them well. The most.  

The most important thing to come out of the job for wall is that he made a notable good friend, a very gifted, cartoonist by the name of. I works the sun of.  

The most important thing to come out of the job for wall is that he made a notable good friend, a very gifted, cartoonist by the name of I works. Uh, was the son of German immigrants. And after being laid off oven, Walt decided to start their own company.  

By the name of UB Iwerks after being laid off up, and Walt decided to start their own company and they had some initial success, they were selling basic illustrations to Kansas city based companies. And they were a very good partnership. Uh, was an incredibly gifted artist, possessing the kind of artistic talent that Walt could only dream of. But he was shy and socially awkward, whereas wall on the other hand was a decent artist. But charming, extroverted and a natural salesman. So between the two of them, they had exceptional art skills and exceptional sales skills. And so they had some success. But. They were kids, you know, these, they were 17 years old. Um, so when they saw a job ad for a position as a cartoonist with a Kansas city slide company have suggested that Walt should go take the job to provide some steady financial footing for them. And, um, we try to keep the company afloat by himself.  

Well,  It was a good idea.  Well, as I said, Was not much of a businessman, although he was a great cartoonist, so he wasn't able to hold down the company on his own. And so after not very long, they shuttered the company and up joined wall at the Kansas city slide company. This was their first foray into moving pictures. And Walt was thrilled about it. He would say years later. The trick of making things move on. Film is what got me.  Um, another quote from gambler the biographer, he said, quote, Walt Disney, seldom dabbled. Everyone who knew him remarked on his intensity. When something intrigued him, he focused himself entirely as if it were the only thing that mattered.  And that thing now that he was focused on was animation.  And so he was thrilled. With to be with the slide company, getting an education in animation. Not only was he getting an education from the slide company, but where he couldn't learn.  And not only was he getting an education from the slide company, but when he couldn't learn what he wanted to at the company, he educated himself. Walt set up a studio in his parents' garage, where he could toy around with cameras and different animation techniques. And different animation techniques. His parents had recently moved back to Kansas city from Chicago after the oil company failed. So.  

Try it again. Uh,  not only was he getting an education from the slide company. But when he couldn't learn there, he was educating himself. Walt set up a studio in his parents' garage. They had recently returned from Chicago after the oil company failed. And so he went to their garage and set up some cameras and some animation equipment and, um, was able to experiment there with different animation techniques.  

And he was like I said, obsessed. Uh, Roy said, when he'd come home and long after everybody else was in bed, what was out there still puttering away, working away, experimenting, trying this and that drawing and so on. So he was spending real late nights. Um, just figuring out this new technology of animation.

You have to remember that.  Animated cartoons. You know, motion, picture cartoons. Are very, very new at this point. This is an industry that isn't even 20 years old. And so it was the wild west.  

And so it was the wild west. Um,  You know, there was no college degree that you could get for animation. You just had to experiment and talk to the people who were doing it and figuring it out. And figure it out.  At the slide company, they were using a technique, um, using cutout cartoons. Which was the standard animation method, but while it starts to become interested in a new technology called cell animation, it used overlapping layers of illustrations on celluloid sheets to quickly create elaborate handicap cartoons. So that. You know, you didn't have to draw the same thing over and over again.  

You would keep some layers.  

You would keep some layers the same for the background or static characters that didn't move while repeatedly redrawing, only those portions of the scene that moved. And overtime while it became not only interested in cell animation, but in his usual way. Obsessed. He was determined that this was the future and he needed to learn how to do it. He's experimenting with it in his garage, talking to more experienced animators, attending classes at the art Institute. And taking out books from the library to read about the new technique. To read about this new technique. He began using cell technique to produce cartoons, to run in the biggest theater in Kansas city. I called the Newman theater. In a pattern that would be a recurring theme throughout Disney's career. Their cartoon stories often found new life from old fables and fairytales. And did they also, uh, tended to give life to inanimate objects? So one of his first, um, Cartoons that he does on his very own. Is this plant that sort of. Comes to life and just jumps around a little bit. It's actually interesting to me. It's so reminiscent of Pixar when they start, the first thing they do is animate this little lamp. And this little, little plant, this little flower, that wall animates is kind of similar to the Pixar lamp.  They all have these animations that he's doing. Are very simple. One to two minutes short animations that ran in front of feature length films at movie theaters.  

They became known as Newman Lafa grams and the company was later named Lafa gram studios by Walt. The cartoons were a commercial failure. Um, but they were creative success. They made wall a mini celebrity in Kansas city, and he soon discovered that he loved the attention. He loved, you know, he was a natural showman. He was a. He's a natural performer. He lived for the response of the crowd and people were really responding to his cartoons. They were popular and they made people laugh.  

Walt soon started dreaming of making longer cartoons, seven minutes, rather than two minute clips that he had been making. And at this point while is really hustling. He's renting a little shack, just up the hill from his day job. Which had changed its name to the Kansas city. Film ad company and they weren't interested in trying or funding Walt's curiosity in cell animation technology. So what was able to work there at the Kansas city film ad company during the day, and then just walk 18 steps up to his own little studio and after hours. Uh, he would try his cell animation stuff and, and they didn't care that he was experimenting with this stuff and taking side projects.  

He was also able to persuade up and coming animators to come draw for him for free. They wouldn't make any money.  

He didn't have any money to give them so he wasn't paying them, but they could learn cell animation. He was always gifted at getting people to buy in to a larger vision. And that was certainly working for him in his favor here.  And that was certainly working in his favor here. So he's got this, this free labor. Eventually Walter. Started to go all in on his new venture, persuaded us to join him once more and built out. And built it out into a full fledged studio.  

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Roy's brothers recently moved out of Kansas city. And so Walt turned Lafa Graham studios into sort of a surrogate family.  Roy's brothers.  

Walt's brothers had recently moved out of Kansas city. And so Walt turned Lafa Graham studios into a sort of surrogate family. Uh, most of them were young and unmarried. They spent long hours working together. Um, I saw a schedule that most of them worked was from 9:00 AM. The schedule that most of them worked with from 9:00 AM until about midnight. And they were experimenting, playing pranks, working, uh, just having fun. A friend visited and asked while about his new studio. And he asked if they were making good money and while we're spending.  And Walter responded, frankly. No, but we're having fun.  And, uh, that was maybe under selling it. They were having a really great time and Walt was very bad with money. Lafa gram studio soon ended up in financial trouble and, uh, on, on the very urge of bankruptcy. In these dire straits. Disney tried throwing a hail Mary. He wanted to produce a longer film rather than the one to two minute clips that they had been making. He wanted to try a seven minute film. That would combine live-action filmography with animation.  

It was called Alice's Wonderland and was of course inspired by Lewis Carroll's famous novel. It was about a real little girl who enters a magical fantasy world of animation. And it's important to note that this short cartoon bears. No resemblance to Alison Wonderland.  

And this little cartoon actually bears no resemblance to Alice in Wonderland. The famous movie that Disney would later produce. Um, this is a different thing and it only used the Lewis Carroll story as inspiration, but was a different thing.  However, the company was falling apart around him. As Walt tried to finish this project of Alice's Wonderland animators were leaving left and right. They were evicted from their offices and even up quit in the end.  Um, so the film was finished. Eventually, but only because Walt did the vast majority of the animation himself. And, um,  

And it's not enough to save the company, which goes under. Once again, this combination of.  

Even, so this combination of live action and animation. It was something that people had done before, but this was a little different. Mostly what people had done was mostly live action with a little cartoon. In that live action instead what this was was mostly cartoon. With one live action character.  Playing in that cartoon, if that makes sense. So this was very leading edge and very cool. What was more than anything? A forward thinker. He was almost at a Sony inner Steve jobs. He, in, in his love of showing the world something groundbreaking, something new. But he's still working out how to make it profitable or even cost efficient and, uh, out Alice's Wonderland is not finished.  

And Alice's Wonderland is not finished in time to save the company, which goes completely belly up.  

And, you know, I said, well, it was bad with money. Um, but at this point it's not because he's an extravagant spender at the time. He really wants to finish this film. So he's real thin. He's eating nothing but canned beans. He had been evicted from his home was sleeping in a studio. He was showering once a week at the train station. I mean while is really. Just trying to slum it. Just trying to scrape by. In order to finish this animation. His problem was at this point. Not that he was a prolific.  Profligate spender. It was that he wasn't making enough money, Kansas city just wasn't a big enough market to support the cost that went into making an animation of this length and complexity. And, um, at this point he didn't have the connections to get distribution outside of Kansas city.  

Despite this company failing Walt is in pretty good spirits. He had a cheery and optimistic disposition in general and was rarely thrown into a bad mood by setbacks. Walt would later say, quote, I had no recollection of ever being unhappy in my life. I was happy all the time. I was excited. I was doing things.  And look, I mean, that's a, that's kind of an exaggeration to be honest. He also said another time that he was crushed and heartbroken at this first bankruptcy, which is understandable for someone who, you know, he's 21 years old. And he just declared bankruptcy. His, his company just failed.  

But it is true that he did have this, this remarkably buoyant personality things might get him down for a little bit, but after like a day, he tended to pop right back up and be his normal cheery, optimistic self.  While it seemed decided that what he needed was a change of scenery. And so he was debating between New York and Los Angeles. And he eventually decided on the ladder mostly because his brother Roy had moved to Los Angeles to recover from tuberculosis.  

Problem was Walt was so flat broke. Uh, he didn't even have the money for a train ticket out to Los Angeles to start over again. So. He bought a camera on loan and went door to door. To the wealthiest neighborhoods in Kansas city offering to make films of people's children. So this is like kind of the most. Down and dirty side hustle that he could think of and doing this. It was a smarter approach in just a matter of a week or two, he was able to scrape together. Uh, enough money to pay for the camera that he had bought and then buy a train ticket out to LA.  

When Walt bought that. When Walt bought that train ticket out of Kansas city. The bitterness of his failures was far from his mind. He said, quote, he felt free and happy as if he were lit up inside by incandescent lights. You know, I think many of us have had that feeling of. Starting over. And have opportunity in front of us. And that's what he was feeling as he took the train to LA.  

And that's, you know, one of my main takeaways from his life is just that unconquerable optimism. It really was. I mean, it could be illogical at times. Anyone else would think, you know, You have no reason to be optimistic right now, but it was his super power. His belief that everything would work out no matter what.  

Having been recently burned by the animation industry wall.  Having been recently burned by the animation industry while considered going into the live action film industry. These were the days before Hollywood's golden age. But Los Angeles was quickly becoming a center of film production. And, uh, the center for animation on the other hand was all the way out in New York. So it wasn't necessarily a natural fit to go out to LA to store. In order to start an animation studio.  While in Los Angeles wall.  

But fate sort of intervened at this point, because while he was in Los Angeles, Walt is able to come up with a distribution deal.  What was able to come up with a distribution deal for a Alice's Wonderland with a New York based distributor named Margaret Winkler. And with that, Walt teamed up with his brother, Roy to form the Disney brothers cartoon studio, which would go on to become the Walt Disney company. And this was formed in 1923.  

The company initially started out by completing more episodes of Alice's adventures in Wonderland. Which experienced some popular success. So he hires his old friend up to come work for him as well. And at the time he also hires multiple other ink artists, including an artist named Lillian bounds. Um, Walt. Likes the.  Uh, over time while it takes a liking to Lillian and, uh, finds that she likes him back. And they end up getting married in 1925. The marriage was, uh, was a happy one. Uh, Lillian was a very steady and constant companion for Walt and they raised three children together.  

So you would think that we are set from here, right? Walt has his main team. He has himself, his brother, Roy, his buddy up, who is this savant, brilliant animator. They founded the Walt Disney company and the stuff that they're producing is doing fairly well. They've moved beyond the original Alice's Wonderland films and are producing other original works as well.  But it's not quite smooth sailing from there. Uh, trouble would arise when Margaret Winkler, their distributor got married and turned over. Most of her work to her husband, Charles Mintz.  And mince and Disney did not get along. They butted heads over a lot of different issues, including the future of the company and what type of animations they should make. And most of all over money and how much Walt and his company were entitled to.  

At a time when Walt short animations we're doing better than ever. Walt wanted to get paid more and get paid faster. In fact, there was more money coming in. And he immense we're able to.  

And in fact there was more money coming in and he and mince were able to come to an agreement over the money. But the real sticking point was that mince kept critiquing Waltz's work. I kept critiquing Walt's work and making more and more suggestions. Walt thought that he was the true creative genius behind the animations and mince thought that the work was kind of shoddy and that he knew more about how to produce great animations, even though he wasn't himself, an animator. And that might seem ridiculous to us in hindsight, but you know, it is true that mince thought that it was his, his show business savvy. And his notes on Walt's animations that were the keys to their success.  

They were eventually able to come to a deal. Both in terms of how they would handle their business going forward. Um,  

You know, who would get more creative freedom.  But also in terms of, of money. Um, but this new deal. Did put even more financial stress on wall. Um, who was trying to expand his studio and bringing more animators to make the animations even better. But now, instead of having more money to produce these animations, he would have just a little bit less. He started to push his staff harder and harder. And the air of fun and adventure that had started with the Disney company. Was replaced with stress. Kind of laborious hard work and tension.  Due to this tension. Three animators decided to leave and start their own studio.  

And for a little bit. Things seem shaky, you know? Okay. Animators are leaving. We have a little bit less money. Is this thing even gonna make it, but this all seems to blow over. When Walt comes up with a new series, a completely animated cartoon about a character named Oswald, the lucky rabbit.  Oswald was immediately a hit. And other animators regarded him as the gold standard. Other cartoon characters at the time. Tended to just be. Excuses for Galax. You know, they, a lot of them were cartoon animals.  But they were just, um, you know,  But they didn't have a personality. Necessarily that continued from, uh, from cartoon to cartoon. Whereas Oswald did have a real personality that carried from animation to animation and, uh, had different attributes that you could point to. And he was a character that you can kind of get to know.  The animations are so successful that he's able to strong arm mints into paying him more. The staff at Disney studios increases to 22. Walt bids.  

The staff at Disney studios increases to 22 employees while builds a new home and things are generally going really well for him in his life. But justice things are finally going great for Walt in 1928, he faces the greatest catastrophe that he's faced yet.  Disney went out to New York. To negotiate another new deal with mince with Oswald doing so well. He thought he had great leverage to negotiate more money. Mince saw it completely differently. It was mince who had negotiated the national distribution deal with universal studios. So he was the reason that people were seeing Oswald. Um, he was the one who was distributing them at the time.  It was.  

Cut that. It was mince who actually owned Oswald because of some smart drawing up of contracts. So he owned the intellectual property. It was Disney's animators who were actually drawing Oswald Disney himself had stopped being an active animator. A little bit of a short time previously. Disney himself had stopped being an active animator. A short time previously. So in minces eyes, he's looking at this and saying, okay,  I'm doing the distribution.  

Waltz cartoonists are doing the actual drawing.  Walt Disney himself is just a middleman. He's a subcon.  Well himself as just a middleman, he's a subcontractor. And so mince had.  And so mince went around Disney and negotiated employment deals directly with some of Disney's animators. And, um,  Disney couldn't believe that, you know, when he hears this, he says no way. And he calls to see if it's true and it's true. They had negotiated contracts with mince himself. Essentially. Cutting Disney out of his own animation. He was mince with stealing Oswald, essentially from Disney is the way that Walt saw it.  

And so while, you know, he goes out to New York to renegotiate a new deal with Mintz.  And to get more money because Oswald, the lucky rabbit is doing so well. And instead what he finds is that there's a trap laid for him. He essentially gets ambushed. And not only does he not get a new deal.  But he essentially gets his character and his company and his employees stolen out from under him.  And, um, mince is kind of a jerk to him. And, uh, just treat some rudely. And, uh, basically treat him like he's a, nobody. And, um, so by the time that Walt took the train back to New York, he was essentially at ground zero. Again, no cartoon character, no deal, no employees. Essentially, no company.  And, um,  

And like I said, he had a buoyant personality, but that can only go so far. And the failure really did get to him. His wife Lillian said that he was quote. Like a roaring lion when he first got on that train.  He fumed about his treacherous crew. These, these ungrateful animators. Um, and also about minutes and how he'd betrayed him and ambushed him. But he also let it motivate him. He wasn't just going on tirades. He starts sketching and immediately he he's thinking, okay, I need to come up with a new character to replace Oswald. So that mince can't have the last laugh. I can show that it was actually my creative genius. I might not have been the one who always drew Oswald. But I thought up Oswald and he was my character.  

So Disney's got nothing. But he does have this sketchpad. And he's sketching out all these new characters, all these ideas for new characters. And he comes up with a story. The story of a little mouse who inspired by Charles Lindbergh builds himself a plane in order to impress a lady mouse. Walt's wife loved the story, but she hated the name. He had named him. Mortimer mouse.  Well, while Aster. What do you think about the name? Nikki.  Um, I'm going to leave the story off there. Obviously, this is a pivotal turning point in Walt Disney's career. But, um, I'll save that for part two. Let's take a.  But for now, let's take a look at a few of the things that made Walt successful. The first was his unshakable optimism. It's true that Walt could get down and depressed when thing.  

The first was, is unshakable optimism. It's true that Walt could get down and depressed when bad things happened as anyone would. In fact he could get.  And he could also have a temper, um, not just down in depressed, but he could fire off and he could yell and he could get mad. But in either case he always bounced back extremely quickly and generally kept an extremely optimistic attitude and believe that things would work out. No matter what.  

This is important because if you've been keeping track, he basically hit rock bottom and had to start over three different times.  Uh, he was also extremely charming and a great salesman. Charm is one of those things that is very difficult to define. It's difficult to express how one develops charm. But I found one note on how he was charming. And I found it really interesting. Uh, he gave the impression that he took a deep, personal interest. And whoever he was speaking with, people said that when they spoke to Walt, it felt like he turned his entire attention toward them. And, um, Was really intensely focused on them as a person.  And I found it interesting because. Charming people are always described that way. That they lock their entire focus on you when they talk to you. I've heard people describe that same phenomenon. When talking about Steve jobs, Napoleon Donald Trump, bill Clinton, and even Saddam Hussein.  It's very mixed company, but every single one of them was a very charming person. And Walt had that same superpower. Of turning his focus on you with.  Of turning his focus on you like a laser. And thereby charming you.  

Some part of that, isn't innate. Some part of that is an eight. But it seems that while also worked at it, he developed it. Um, and I know. You know, it's funny, Steve jobs. I had this thing that he would do. That he stared at people and people talk about this. It was like kind of creepy, but always got your attention that Steve jobs would, would stare at you in like, not blink. And Walt had the same habit of locking onto people. And when he was like focused on them, he would stare directly at them. And so, um, again, there's not many too many hacks that you can get out of how to take over the world. Most of these things are sort of general life strategies. But I do think that's one little hack you can take away that you can try. If you are trying to, um,  Influence someone charm them, focus on them, try just doing the Steve jobs stare just really intently stare. And it does tend to, at the very least.  Break up the normal flow of conversation and get them to really focus on what you're saying and become interested in. What it is that you want them to.  

And become interested in the conversation and where you're trying to take them.  Uh, speaking of focus, we'll have this incredible.  Oh, gosh.  Speaking of focus while had this incredible ability to concentrate all of his energy on one task or one skill at a time. Whether he was learning the basics of cartooning or learning the ins and outs of selling animation. Walt's ability to obsess was one of his greatest strengths.  One last thing I wanted to mention.  Is, I was talking with someone the other day, someone successful in the world of finance. And this guy mentioned that he was interested in starting his own thing. But I talked to him a second time, a couple of weeks later, and he had decided against it. He didn't want to start his own company. Uh, his thinking was that.  He's already comfortable. He's made good money. And, um, he wants to keep making more good money and there's definitely some luck that goes into being really, really successful at the top level and starting your own venture.  And, um, you know, he's talking about some of the other people who've been really successful starting their own ventures, starting.  

And he was talking about some of the other people who'd been successful, starting their own funds. Um, and he basically said that, you know, these people, they put it all on black a few times, so to speak and, um, they happened to get lucky. And they got lucky a few times and they were able to build off of that. And he was afraid that if he didn't have that same luck a few times he could pin it. He could potentially lose of lot. He could potentially lose a lot of what he had already built.  

So kind of a classic. Risk reward and this desire to not lose everything that you've built, which I understand. But when I was reading Walt Disney story and hearing about how he bought him out multiple times, It just made me realize that. If you want to reach the top, you have to be comfortable with the fact that you could not only hear rock.  You have to be comfortable with the fact that not only could you hit rock bottom. But you probably will. At some point, you're probably going to have to go through that before you get to the top. You know, um,  Steve jobs got fired from apple. Napoleon got exiled to Elba. Edison had to watch his entire company literally burned down in front of him. Uh, even Putin. You know, uh, his, his mayor that he was working for soap Jack lost reelection and. And he lost everything. His political career was destroyed. He hit rock bottom. So it's a very common thing. Uh, so keep that in mind.  That you can't necessarily count on.  Never going through that.  But what you have to keep in mind is that it's okay. If you fall flat on your face, if you lose everything, if you've got to start over, you were in the company of the great ones. They all have gone through that. And, um, you can always start over. And at least you're in the arena. You are competing. Um,  With the chance to become the greatest. And if you want to play it safe all the time, if you don't want to risk it all, that's fine. A lot of people should make that decision. But you're probably not going to have a chance to be. The greatest of all time.  

All right, that's it for this week's episode tune in next week to hear how Walt takes over the world of not only animation. The media and imagination until then. Thanks for listening.

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